Comments on: Record companies really are screwed… http://thewayoftheweb.net/2008/10/record-companies-really-are-screwed/ Digital Content, Marketing and Disruptive Technology Consultancy Sun, 12 Feb 2012 22:14:32 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: TheWayoftheWeb » Behind the music… http://thewayoftheweb.net/2008/10/record-companies-really-are-screwed/#comment-2699 TheWayoftheWeb » Behind the music… Mon, 13 Oct 2008 22:35:08 +0000 http://thewayoftheweb.net/?p=448#comment-2699 [...] Apologies as I’m a bit tired, and this may descend into rambling, but I wanted to keep the music debate going, especially after some interesting comments on my first post, on why ‘Recording companies are really screwed‘. [...] [...] Apologies as I’m a bit tired, and this may descend into rambling, but I wanted to keep the music debate going, especially after some interesting comments on my first post, on why ‘Recording companies are really screwed‘. [...]

]]> By: Dan Thornton http://thewayoftheweb.net/2008/10/record-companies-really-are-screwed/#comment-2698 Dan Thornton Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:28:18 +0000 http://thewayoftheweb.net/?p=448#comment-2698 I don't think we should ignore the majors, just because they're an easy target... But I take your point about indie networks, Myspace etc...will do some thinking and writing shortly...if you've got more examples and challenges, keep 'em coming...I don't know if I'm right, but I've yet to be proved totally wrong! I don’t think we should ignore the majors, just because they’re an easy target…

But I take your point about indie networks, Myspace etc…will do some thinking and writing shortly…if you’ve got more examples and challenges, keep ‘em coming…I don’t know if I’m right, but I’ve yet to be proved totally wrong!

]]> By: Dan Thornton http://thewayoftheweb.net/2008/10/record-companies-really-are-screwed/#comment-5711 Dan Thornton Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:28:00 +0000 http://thewayoftheweb.net/?p=448#comment-5711 I don't think we should ignore the majors, just because they're an easy target... But I take your point about indie networks, Myspace etc...will do some thinking and writing shortly...if you've got more examples and challenges, keep 'em coming...I don't know if I'm right, but I've yet to be proved totally wrong! I don’t think we should ignore the majors, just because they’re an easy target…

But I take your point about indie networks, Myspace etc…will do some thinking and writing shortly…if you’ve got more examples and challenges, keep ‘em coming…I don’t know if I’m right, but I’ve yet to be proved totally wrong!

]]> By: eaon http://thewayoftheweb.net/2008/10/record-companies-really-are-screwed/#comment-2696 eaon Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:17:36 +0000 http://thewayoftheweb.net/?p=448#comment-2696 the majors are an easy target. what about indie networks (ie rough trade and cartel of yore)? what about Crass model? what about Murdoch's My Space - how is that better than Sony BMG et al? what about p&d? big brush strokes are not working for me in this argument. the majors are an easy target. what about indie networks (ie rough trade and cartel of yore)? what about Crass model?
what about Murdoch’s My Space – how is that better than Sony BMG et al? what about p&d? big brush strokes are not working for me in this argument.

]]> By: eaon pritchard http://thewayoftheweb.net/2008/10/record-companies-really-are-screwed/#comment-5710 eaon pritchard Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:17:00 +0000 http://thewayoftheweb.net/?p=448#comment-5710 the majors are an easy target. what about indie networks (ie rough trade and cartel of yore)? what about Crass model? what about Murdoch's My Space - how is that better than Sony BMG et al? what about p&d? big brush strokes are not working for me in this argument. the majors are an easy target. what about indie networks (ie rough trade and cartel of yore)? what about Crass model?
what about Murdoch’s My Space – how is that better than Sony BMG et al? what about p&d? big brush strokes are not working for me in this argument.

]]> By: Dan Thornton http://thewayoftheweb.net/2008/10/record-companies-really-are-screwed/#comment-2694 Dan Thornton Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:54:07 +0000 http://thewayoftheweb.net/?p=448#comment-2694 Hi Michael, Thanks for the comment, but I respectfully disagree. How much money does it take to publish a blog, an MP3 or a video on Youtube, and to spread the word via Facebook, Stumbleupon, Digg or other methods? What about new methods of funding like slicethepie.com etc, which allow groups of people to invest into bands to fund recordings. There's the example of the Arctic Monkeys, but what about something on a slightly smaller scale, say The Twitter Song? (http://www.ihatemornings.com/twittersong/). Over 200,000 views on Youtube, interviews on national radio, and even selling T-shirt merchandise, without a record company in sight. Even Doug Morris knows that more plays don't always equal more sales - and that a hit record only needs a few people to hear it and start to spread it to become a major success. Sorry if that turned into a bit of a list rant, but I really appreciate the comment and discussion - I definitely don't have all the knowledge on the subject - I'd be really keen to nail down specific examples of what a record company brings, and why it can't be replicated... Hi Michael,
Thanks for the comment, but I respectfully disagree. How much money does it take to publish a blog, an MP3 or a video on Youtube, and to spread the word via Facebook, Stumbleupon, Digg or other methods?

What about new methods of funding like slicethepie.com etc, which allow groups of people to invest into bands to fund recordings.

There’s the example of the Arctic Monkeys, but what about something on a slightly smaller scale, say The Twitter Song?
(http://www.ihatemornings.com/twittersong/).

Over 200,000 views on Youtube, interviews on national radio, and even selling T-shirt merchandise, without a record company in sight.

Even Doug Morris knows that more plays don’t always equal more sales – and that a hit record only needs a few people to hear it and start to spread it to become a major success.

Sorry if that turned into a bit of a list rant, but I really appreciate the comment and discussion – I definitely don’t have all the knowledge on the subject – I’d be really keen to nail down specific examples of what a record company brings, and why it can’t be replicated…

]]> By: Dan Thornton http://thewayoftheweb.net/2008/10/record-companies-really-are-screwed/#comment-5709 Dan Thornton Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:54:00 +0000 http://thewayoftheweb.net/?p=448#comment-5709 Hi Michael, Thanks for the comment, but I respectfully disagree. How much money does it take to publish a blog, an MP3 or a video on Youtube, and to spread the word via Facebook, Stumbleupon, Digg or other methods? What about new methods of funding like slicethepie.com etc, which allow groups of people to invest into bands to fund recordings. There's the example of the Arctic Monkeys, but what about something on a slightly smaller scale, say The Twitter Song? (http://www.ihatemornings.com/twittersong/). Over 200,000 views on Youtube, interviews on national radio, and even selling T-shirt merchandise, without a record company in sight. Even Doug Morris knows that more plays don't always equal more sales - and that a hit record only needs a few people to hear it and start to spread it to become a major success. Sorry if that turned into a bit of a list rant, but I really appreciate the comment and discussion - I definitely don't have all the knowledge on the subject - I'd be really keen to nail down specific examples of what a record company brings, and why it can't be replicated... Hi Michael,
Thanks for the comment, but I respectfully disagree. How much money does it take to publish a blog, an MP3 or a video on Youtube, and to spread the word via Facebook, Stumbleupon, Digg or other methods?

What about new methods of funding like slicethepie.com etc, which allow groups of people to invest into bands to fund recordings.

There’s the example of the Arctic Monkeys, but what about something on a slightly smaller scale, say The Twitter Song?
(http://www.ihatemornings.com/twittersong/).

Over 200,000 views on Youtube, interviews on national radio, and even selling T-shirt merchandise, without a record company in sight.

Even Doug Morris knows that more plays don’t always equal more sales – and that a hit record only needs a few people to hear it and start to spread it to become a major success.

Sorry if that turned into a bit of a list rant, but I really appreciate the comment and discussion – I definitely don’t have all the knowledge on the subject – I’d be really keen to nail down specific examples of what a record company brings, and why it can’t be replicated…

]]> By: TheWayoftheWeb » More fuel for the record company bonfire… http://thewayoftheweb.net/2008/10/record-companies-really-are-screwed/#comment-2693 TheWayoftheWeb » More fuel for the record company bonfire… Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:46:10 +0000 http://thewayoftheweb.net/?p=448#comment-2693 [...] on from my last post, I’ve just been reading the far more eloquent Lawrence Lessig’s ‘In Defence of [...] [...] on from my last post, I’ve just been reading the far more eloquent Lawrence Lessig’s ‘In Defence of [...]

]]> By: Michael http://thewayoftheweb.net/2008/10/record-companies-really-are-screwed/#comment-2692 Michael Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:45:38 +0000 http://thewayoftheweb.net/?p=448#comment-2692 Even someone as close to the indie scene as me has to recognise that record companies are still needed in some form. The idea that musicians can now create and sell online is true, technically. But to get noticed they need money behind them. And you know where that usually comes from. The majors have been disastrously slow to adapt to things that have been happening over a period of ten years. But it kills me to say that we still need them. The examples that are often given (NiN and Radiohead) are examples of bands that have been built up already. Nobody bands that give away music is... a giveaway and nothing more. By the way, I still enjoy Last.fm massively too. Lots of great stuff to find on there. Even someone as close to the indie scene as me has to recognise that record companies are still needed in some form. The idea that musicians can now create and sell online is true, technically. But to get noticed they need money behind them. And you know where that usually comes from.

The majors have been disastrously slow to adapt to things that have been happening over a period of ten years. But it kills me to say that we still need them.

The examples that are often given (NiN and Radiohead) are examples of bands that have been built up already. Nobody bands that give away music is… a giveaway and nothing more.

By the way, I still enjoy Last.fm massively too. Lots of great stuff to find on there.

]]> By: Michael http://thewayoftheweb.net/2008/10/record-companies-really-are-screwed/#comment-5708 Michael Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:45:00 +0000 http://thewayoftheweb.net/?p=448#comment-5708 Even someone as close to the indie scene as me has to recognise that record companies are still needed in some form. The idea that musicians can now create and sell online is true, technically. But to get noticed they need money behind them. And you know where that usually comes from. The majors have been disastrously slow to adapt to things that have been happening over a period of ten years. But it kills me to say that we still need them. The examples that are often given (NiN and Radiohead) are examples of bands that have been built up already. Nobody bands that give away music is... a giveaway and nothing more. By the way, I still enjoy Last.fm massively too. Lots of great stuff to find on there. Even someone as close to the indie scene as me has to recognise that record companies are still needed in some form. The idea that musicians can now create and sell online is true, technically. But to get noticed they need money behind them. And you know where that usually comes from.

The majors have been disastrously slow to adapt to things that have been happening over a period of ten years. But it kills me to say that we still need them.

The examples that are often given (NiN and Radiohead) are examples of bands that have been built up already. Nobody bands that give away music is… a giveaway and nothing more.

By the way, I still enjoy Last.fm massively too. Lots of great stuff to find on there.

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