TheWayoftheWeb

Social media marketing, digital publishing, PR, communities and engagement
  • rss
  • Home
  • About Dan Thornton
  • My Marketing role
  • Marketing books and groups
  • Marketing Measurement Tools

Court allows Viacom to invade privacy of Youtube viewers

Dan Thornton | July 3, 2008

Due to the litigation case between Viacom and Google, a federal court has ordered Google to produce:

all data from the Logging database concerning each time a YouTube video has been viewed on the YouTube website or through embedding on a third-party website

Time to boycott any Viacom products? Read more details on how this erroneously ignores the protection of the US Video Privacy Protection Act on the Electronic Frontier Foundation’s website. For the record, actions like this are a far bigger problem than Twitter failing to scale!

Comments
1 Comment »
Categories
internet
Tags
detials, eff, electronic frontier foundation, federal court, google, ip, ip address, privacy, user, viacom, youtube
Comments rss Comments rss
Trackback Trackback

I’m not a number - or a user - or a visitor

Dan Thornton | June 30, 2008

For a while I’ve read various people debating whether ‘traditional’ terms for people online are still effective. Do we really just want ‘visitors’ - as if they turn up, pay their museum entry fee, look at the exhibits and then leave? Or is it fair to assume they’re users - as if we’re peddling heroin? Especially as a ‘user’ is linked to user accounts and usernames. And only those who actually make a transaction can really be termed ‘consumers’. (They’re not ‘Unique Users’ in analytics/metrics, they’re Unique IPs…but I think that’s not something that can be changed now!)

I think it’s a shame that ad agencies and computing have sewn up ‘client’. It’s more informal than consumer, and yet infers a bit more choice and power on the part of the individual than the other terms. And like an agency, any website publisher has to constantly evolve and adapt to meet the needs of their clients…

I did try to work out a reason for renaming the audience Flibbertigibbets, but even my tenuous grip on reality struggled with that one.

So, like an age old riddle, what’s someone who can come and read a website and leave, come and interact, or come and take part in spending money?

So far, my best effort is ‘Participant‘. If we accept that participation starts at going to a url and observing the content, and goes up to spending every second of the day interacting, posting, uploading and purchasing. And if you look at the Wikipedia entries for participation, it starts to make sense:

‘Participation, in addition to its dictionary definition, has specific meanings in certain areas.

  • Participation (decision making), a notion in theory of management, economics and politics
  • Participation (VR), a notion from virtual reality
  • Participation (ownership), sharing something in common with others
  • Participation (Finance), getting some benefit from the performance of a certain underlying asset
  • Participation constraint (ER modelling), a special case of a multiplicity constraint’

So it can incorporate decision making, benefit, multiplicity, sharing, and being involved in a virtual reality? If you really want, you can split it into Reading Participants, Posting Participants, Uploading Participants, Buying Participants. You can even have a past participle if it makes you happy!

I’d be interested to know if other people think it’s a change worth making, and whether it’s worth participating or not?

Comments
6 Comments »
Categories
internet
Tags
audience, consumer, customer, define, definition, digitial, online, participant, user, visitor, website
Comments rss Comments rss
Trackback Trackback

Contributing to the internet for more than just recognition…

Dan Thornton | January 30, 2008

I’ve had several conversations about user generated content with my colleague and fellow blogger David Cushman (and you can read his take here.)

Any online submission or rating system needs to have some reward to make the time invested worthwhile. And most of the current models use recognition as that reward, including Digg and Del.icio.us.

But the idea of payment is most definitely spreading. For a while bloggers could monetise their work either with advertising on their site - or by submitting articles to sites like Blogburst. Or even by writing content for sites like Helium.

But the options are growing every day. (Note, I’m not vouching for the earning potential, or payments from any of the sites in this post)

You could earn by using a social network like Yuwie.

Or you could submit links and comments to social review aggregator (and Digg clone), Ximmy.

Or by submitting videos to the likes of Revver.

Or you could even submit pages of search returns for Mahalo.

What’s interesting is how these sites will fair, and how the payment system evolves. Is payment enough to tempt enough users to make Yuwie or Ximmy a viable alternative? Because currently the payment system is definitely aimed at keeping payments as an optional bonus rather than a viable reason to justify the time involved.

Mahalo, meanwhile, takes a more valuable view of the content provided - as it should if it will challenge the likes of the Google search algorithm. Whereas Yuwie or Ximmy offer miniscule amounts for micro actions, Mahalo pays a huge amount, by comparison. But it also expects a lot more work, and applies a rigorous judging procedure.

But the main risk I can see for any of these new business is that their success could easily pave the way for competitors to attack them in a simple price war. And that could lead to a lot of false promises and unmade payments until finally the payment equilibrium puts a fair market price of user submissions, participation, and content.

That’s why I wouldn’t advise anyone to build a system around payment alone. But increasingly payment is becoming an expected part of participation and has to be factored into any social plan. The only variable is whether 1000 links to articles is worth $10 of my time for Ximmy - or a page of researched and picked search returns is worth $10 of my time on Mahalo!

This is just the start of my research into the online user economy, and economics isn’t my main skill, so I’d be really interested in opinions, comments, and anyone’s experiences with using paid UGC sites of any type…

(For the record, I’ve signed up with almost every site mentioned, but I’m still working towards any actual payments!)

Comments
No Comments »
Categories
social media, social networking, user generated content
Tags
blogburst, blogs, digg, economy, helium, mahalo, money, online, revver, user, ximmy, yuwie
Comments rss Comments rss
Trackback Trackback

Popular Posts

  • Has Microsoft made a major marketing mistake?
  • Breaking the habit of broadcast media
  • About Dan Thornton
  • Absolute Radio - the new name of Virgin Radio
  • Is Digg's day done?

Tags

140char advertising blog blogger Blogging blogs business community community marketing dave cushman david cushman digg digital disposable media ditto facebook faster future free friendfeed future google marketing measurement media mp3 music myspace news online rss social social media social media marketing social networking social networks strategy success the long tail twitter video web 2.0 wikipedia wordpress xbox 360 youtube

On Twitter

    Archives

    • January 2009 (7)
    • December 2008 (33)
    • November 2008 (23)
    • October 2008 (28)
    • September 2008 (23)
    • August 2008 (24)
    • July 2008 (22)
    • June 2008 (19)
    • May 2008 (16)
    • April 2008 (18)
    • March 2008 (11)
    • February 2008 (17)
    • January 2008 (2)
    • October 2007 (12)
    • September 2007 (16)
    • August 2007 (10)
    • July 2007 (15)
    • June 2007 (14)
    • May 2007 (20)
    • April 2007 (18)
    • March 2007 (17)
    • February 2007 (29)
    • January 2007 (24)
    • December 2006 (13)
    • November 2006 (13)
    • October 2006 (15)

    Events/Projects

    • MeasurementCamp
    • Social Media Mafia

    The Blogroll

    • A Shel of Myself
    • Faster Future
    • Gaping Void
    • Green Tea Ice Cream
    • Howard Owens
    • Jaffe Juice
    • Journalism Iconoclact
    • KDPaine’s PR Measurement Blog
    • Nick Burcher
    • Occam’s Razor Web Analytics blog
    • Only Dead Fish
    • Seth Godin
    • Teaching Online Journalism
    • The Herd
    • The Obvious?
    • Watsonian Ramblings
    • Web Strategy
    • Wikinomics

    Rankings

    Wikio - Top Blogs - Technology Featured in Alltop

    Books I recommend

    Blog Directories

    Blog Flux Directory Add to Technorati Favorites

    Top Spots Links

    Blog Directory

    Blogging Fusion Blog Directory

    rss Comments rss valid xhtml 1.1 design by jide powered by Wordpress get firefox